andrewr
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Post by andrewr on Sept 12, 2016 16:43:22 GMT -5
question #2, now that I know about this forum:
I have a mainly conventional rig, 70+ S4, dimmer to channel. No problem.
I've recently upgraded to LW6, and acquired some Coloursource4 units, and as well I want to work the IQs and DMX iris units into the LW paperwork as well.
I'm lost on the best way to deal with all the data.
Coloursource: Channel to unit address: fine. channel 81 to address 2/321 what about the power source? channel 300 to dimmer 1/54
what is the "typical way" to list this? would unit 1, channel 81 address 2/321 also list dimmer 54, since that is the power source for the unit? but what about the actual channel number patched to 300? in the channel hook-up, would the power source be listed with channel 81, or just leave it for channel 300; or just leave that to the Instrument Hook-up, where you can list Unit 1 as the channel/address, and unit 1.1 as the power source (Power Non-Dim) channel/dimmer?
IQs: same sort of Question: channel 19 is the S4 for the IQ, patched to dimmer 1/254 The DMX devices have their own addresses (2/261, 2/301), and that's fine. But the DMX devices are also powered from channel 299, dimmer 1/257.
Right now I can have in the instrument hook-up, channel 19 patched to unit 14.1, dimmer 232, AND unit 14.2 IQ patched to dimmer 236 (since that is the power source), BUT 14.3 lists channel 300 patched to dimmer 236 (which is actually correct, as the non-dim power supply). so it reads as if 2 channels controlling 1 non/dim.
I'm confused. what is the best way to list these units?
Thanks very much for any guidance.
Andrew R.
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Post by nostoppin on Sept 15, 2016 11:18:15 GMT -5
in your example:
"Coloursource: Channel to unit address: fine. channel 81 to address 2/321 what about the power source? channel 300 to dimmer 1/54"
Is the colorsource getting power from a dimmer or a non dim circuit? The Dimmer field in LW6 refers to the power source. Using a conventional instrument, the address actually is calling out a dimmer. that address can be anywhere between 1 and 512. LW6 usage in the Dimmer column would never be able to go beyond the number of dimmers you have. your address for the first dimmer in the rack may be 321, but as far as LW6 is concerned the Dimmer Column is talking about the dimmer in slot 1.
Think of the dimmer column as your load calculation center. I know, it's not how I grew up thinking about dimmers. The way DMX started was to fire off dimmers, and that term has been used as a synonym for DMX Address forever.
LW6 has a killer load balancing application found under Setup / Dimming and Control. You can define where the rack is fed from, give it a name, specify dimmer or non dim, rack size, start # and end#, etc. the Details tab allows you to specify how the rack is built for phasing. you can load pre-made phase templates, or make your own.
For dimmers, I name them D1 > D whatever, and for non-dim racks I use N1>N whatever, depending on how many circuits that rack has. as long as the phasing is accurate for the rack you're going to use, and the Load column is accurate, the reports section of Utilities has fantastic tools that makes load balancing quick and easy.
"what is the "typical way" to list this? would unit 1, channel 81 address 2/321 also list dimmer 54, since that is the power source for the unit?"
I'm unclear here. is your address 2/321 patched to the 54th dimmer in the rack? If so, then yes, if you've set up your rack (say a 96 ch rack) to have dimmers 1>96. This way you can use the dimmer field to print labels for your rack, in the order they occur.
Dimmer Column is always associated with a fixture. a fixture may have a channel number, but the dimmer column only refers to the power source.
"Right now I can have in the instrument hook-up, channel 19 patched to unit 14.1, dimmer 232, AND unit 14.2 IQ patched to dimmer 236 (since that is the power source), BUT 14.3 lists channel 300 patched to dimmer 236 (which is actually correct, as the non-dim power supply). so it reads as if 2 channels controlling 1 non/dim."
let's break it down,
Channel Unit# Dimmer 19 14.1 232 ? 14.2 236 300 14.3 236
you can have as many fixtures on one circuit as the load allows. I routinely put 5-8 LED fixtures on one non-dim circuit. There is no control. There is only a switch. you don't need a channel number for a non-dim circuit.
hope this helps!
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andrewr
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Post by andrewr on Sept 16, 2016 13:17:31 GMT -5
sort of helps. Moving from LW 4 to LW 6 was tough. adding the new info (dimmer details) is done, as I work my through all the different boxes/tabs in LW.
we're a permanent performing arts centre, with 3 venues. right now this issue is only dealing with 1 venue. 3 racks of 96 hardwired, Strand CD80 Supervisor racks. Dimmer modules swappable between 1.8, 2.4 dimmers, or non-dim modules. all racks are 1st universe. All DMX devices (IQs, Iris, Coloursourse control) are Universe 2.
I've tried to clarify my situation. Your answers above got off track because my initial bad first post.
for the Colorsource: Unit #1 control channel in console: 81 control address: 2/321 Power source is non-dim module in dimmer rack: "dimmer" or address 1/54 control channel for non-dim address: 300
Unit #2 Control channel in console: 82 control address: 2.326 Power source: non-dim in address 1/54 control channel for non-dim: 300
Control console auto parks channel 300 to full at boot up.
so I need 2 control channels working to operate the Coloursource.
Channel 300 is patched to non-dims 53 and 54 (4 Coloursources per non-dim)
Should I list the pwer source for the COlourSources as 1.2 of the unit? and put the dimmer there? (but then it has no channel listed) Should I list the coloursource as only 1 unit (no 1.2), and have the channel, dimmer, and address all there (but again, no power control channel).
Same for the IQs:
Unit #1 S4: control channel 19 power source: dimmer 1/235 IQ: unit 1.1: address 2/261 Iris: unit 1.2: address 2/301 Non-dim power source: unit 1.3, address 1/239 (non dim in dimmer rack, 1st universe), control channel 299
I could park the non-dims on (park the address, not the control channel), but then they disappear in the background, and you don't see that they are powered up.
Does this clarification change or modify your understanding, and your answers from above?
Thanks for helping. This should seem so basic now. I'm not saying I'm old school, but I'm not aware of a standard way of think about these details.
Andrew
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Post by florianb on Sept 24, 2016 5:02:24 GMT -5
Hi Andrew, We have the same problem and as a work around we use a User column and label it Hotpower. I have all the ND in my LW file with the appropriate CH and Dimmer info and then I use the Hotpower column for the CH of the Hotpower supply.
I hope that makes some sort of sense to you...
Florian
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Post by kmaurer on Feb 16, 2017 15:42:28 GMT -5
Hi Andrew, Our system is set up similarly. We use Non-Dims (not constant) so we can unpark the channel and power off the rig at the end of the night without requiring someone to go to the dimmer room and switch things off. So all of our non-dims are in channel 2000. In my LW I create a unit number such as 1.1 like you do. I make the Instrument Type a Non-Dim to make it easier to search them all, then make the Purpose: Power (ch#) so in Ch. 2000 I can see what everything is doing. Since our dimmer rack is similarly a one-to-one patch I enter everything into the Address column. It gets assigned Ch. 2000 so it has all of its information. I don't feel it's the most elegant solution, and when you are conversing with Vectorworks it gets screwy. We've made a Power Penalty Box so LW and VW have something in common.
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Post by johnmcsoft on Feb 17, 2017 0:58:05 GMT -5
For both of these, I'd use an attribute list with just one item, its purpose "Power", attach it to the colorsource instrument type. In the new attribute rows that this generates on the worksheet, put the address of the power in the address column and its channel in the channel column. If you want to identify the actual dimmer (not just the address) or calculate loads, put the dimmer number in the dimmer column.
Unit #1 control channel in console: 81 control address: 2/321 Power source is non-dim module in dimmer rack: "dimmer" or address 1/54 control channel for non-dim address: 300
Unit #2 Control channel in console: 82 control address: 2.326 Power source: non-dim in address 1/54 control channel for non-dim: 300
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